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Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
02/09/19 08:42:21AM
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Oddball double fretboard dulcimer


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There's a classic photo of an older woman bowing a regular dulcimer.  She sits back from the edge of a table with the tail of the dulcimer in her lap and the body leaned up against the edge of the table directly away from her.  This instrument could certainly be bowed that way.  But who knows!  Maybe it was a John Jacob Niles experiment!!

Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
02/08/19 10:36:26PM
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Oddball double fretboard dulcimer


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I've bowed both lap dulcimer and bowed dulcimers. . . I couldn't imagine bowing this critter.  In my view, the design doesn't seem to lend itself to bowing.  

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
02/08/19 10:22:16PM
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Oddball double fretboard dulcimer


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Bowed instruments are not played with the bow string parallel to the soundboard.  The bow string runs diagonally from the center of the strings to just above the edge of the instrument, on both sides:    /__\

Lisa
@lisa
02/08/19 08:19:27PM
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Oddball double fretboard dulcimer


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Sorry, I forgot to mention it was an internet purchase and came to me from Gaithersburg, Maryland.
Bob
@bob
02/08/19 08:14:59PM
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Oddball double fretboard dulcimer


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Very cool. Its good to be in the hands of someone who will take care of it!

Susie
@susie
02/08/19 08:10:05PM
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Oddball double fretboard dulcimer


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Was that purchased locally in the U.P.?
Very interesting and unique.
Lisa
@lisa
02/08/19 07:46:39PM
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Oddball double fretboard dulcimer


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I can't see how it could be bowed, as each fretboard is flat, but I'm not a bowed instrument player at all. It also has strap buttons, so maybe it was played standing up?
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Lisa
@lisa
02/08/19 07:19:52PM
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Oddball double fretboard dulcimer


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Robin, there's nothing known about it. It was being sold on consignment, with no info known from the seller. There's no label or makers marks at all, inside or out that I can see.
Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
02/08/19 07:12:16PM
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Oddball double fretboard dulcimer


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The fretboard is set up so that you have both diatonic and chromatic frets.  Diatonic under all 7 strings, and chromatic only under the first three strings. 

HUGE amount of soundhole area -- far more than is needed. 

The way the fretboard is "radiused" with a ridge rather than a curve (never seen anything quite like that), plus the narrowness of the bouts makes me wonder if it wasn't intended to be a bowed instrument.


updated by @ken-hulme: 02/08/19 07:12:53PM
Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
02/08/19 06:19:50PM
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Oddball double fretboard dulcimer


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Wow, Lisa, I don't recall ever seeing anything quite like this!  Do you know anything about when and where it was built? 

Lisa
@lisa
02/08/19 05:35:41PM
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No Strum hollow


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Thanks to everyone for the input, I'm not wondering now if my dulcimer is lacking anymore, and that others have struggled a little with strumming back and forth, something I need to work on.
Thanks, Lisa
Lisa
@lisa
02/08/19 05:31:13PM
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Oddball double fretboard dulcimer


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Hi,

I wanted to share a picture of the used dulcimer I just got in the mail today.  I thought it was very unique, and wasn't too expensive, they listed it as poor condition.  Really, it's just homemade, an amateur build.  I don't care, I love this thing!  It's got great resonance and sustain, and the frets seem to be placed well, as it plays in tune pretty good. It's electric, but I think I need some adaptor as the plug opening is small.  I'm not overly interested in the electric feature, but will see if it works.

Thanks for looking, Lisa

 


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updated by @lisa: 10/27/19 12:02:25PM
Strumelia
@strumelia
02/08/19 01:38:53PM
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Builder Jim Trantham


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

I adjusted the thread title for you Richard, in case anyone else does a search here for the builder.  :)  Glad you could find some info on him, to help that lady.  

Richard Streib
@richard-streib
02/08/19 12:05:37PM
280 posts

Builder Jim Trantham


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

My bad. The name the lady gave me was spelled incorrectly. It is Jim Trantham. Now I can give her some information.

Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
02/07/19 07:18:02PM
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No Strum hollow


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For what it's worth, I strum just to the left of the strum hollow most of the time. dulcimer1

Strumelia
@strumelia
02/07/19 05:40:57PM
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Thanks Dusty for the GREAT explanations and screenshots!

Here's a bit more of a dry 'technical description' on the two ways to add pictures to your post when you are on a computer, tablet, or laptop:

There are TWO ways to add an image to your discussion post. In both cases, the image must first reside on your computer or device and you'll be pointing to it. You can't insert an image that is just sitting on the internet somewhere.

1) Attach the image or file to your post: When typing your post, use the "Attach Files" button underneath the text editor box where you are typing your post. Browse to the image on your computer that you want to attach to your post. This will insert a small thumbnail of the picture into your post.
Note: When you see the thumbnail and text link for an attached image, it's when folks have used that "Attach file" button easily seen at bottom of text editor window. Click right on the thumbnail pic itself to open it right there to SEE it full size.  OR... Clicking on the text link will simply DOWNLOAD it to your computer.

or

2) Embed the image into your post.  That will create a larger picture right within your discussion post.
To do that, when you are typing your post you click on the little icon button that looks like an arrow inside a square ("embed local media")- that icon button is to the left of the Smiley button in the text editor window. Once in that window, select the SIZE you want the image to be in the left side dropdown menu...XL or XXL usually works well. Then you click the "Select an image to upload and insert" button to the right. When you click that 'Select' button, it'll take you to where you can browse to the image on your computer that you want to embed in the post. An embedded picture will not need to be clicked on to see it, it'll already be showing in the post, at the size you've selected.

NOTE for if you are posting from a cell phone:
You will get additional options when composing a post. You'll get the initial editor view that has an "attach file" button, but you'll also see a grey box with a little 'book' icon for writing your post. Click that book and you'll be in a text editor window where you can compose your post and it has options such as bold or italic text, adding a link, and also embedding an image right into a post so it shows within the post rather than simply attaching it. Once you are done composing, you click the Back arrow and you'll get back to the grey box where you can then see your composed text, attach a file if you want, and click to publish your post.


updated by @strumelia: 02/07/21 10:45:51AM
Dusty Turtle
@dusty
02/07/19 05:13:59PM
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How Do I Attach Photos To A Post?


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The second way to incorporate a photo is to embed it as I did the screen shot in both of these responses to you.  In that case you choose the "embed local media" icon, which looks like a piece of film strip and is the second-to-last icon on the tool bar above the text box.

 

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When you click the embed local media icon, a screen will appear asking you what size you want the photo to be and where the photo is located.


updated by @dusty: 02/07/19 05:17:12PM
Don Grundy
@don-grundy
02/07/19 05:05:27PM
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Jam chord progressions


Playing and jamming difficulties...HELP ME!

Thank you! I have lots to learn. That’s healthy for an old guy. Candidly, in the evening I love relaxing and playing my first dulcimer. It’s tuned DAAA and is a joy to play.
Dusty Turtle
@dusty
02/07/19 05:00:10PM
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How Do I Attach Photos To A Post?


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Jimmy, there are a couple of different ways to incorporate a photo into a post.  One is to use the "Attache File" button just below the text box on the right. As in this screen shot below.

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When you "Attach File" it appears as a small icon below your text, with a download link to the right, as in the case below.


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Jimmy Lamar
@jimmy-lamar
02/07/19 04:43:02PM
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How Do I Attach Photos To A Post?


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I don't see an option like a paperclip icon or anything that allows me to attach photos to a post. Sorry to bug anyone. I figured it out. I didn't scroll down far enough.


updated by @jimmy-lamar: 03/22/21 10:37:39AM
Richard Streib
@richard-streib
02/07/19 10:58:53AM
280 posts

Builder Jim Trantham


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A friend has been shown a dulcimer made by Jim Trantham. She asked me if I had heard of him. Sadly, I have not. Thought I'd ask if anyone knows of him. She seemed hesitant to purchase without knowing a little bit.

Thanks all.

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
02/07/19 10:30:30AM
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No Strum hollow


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My guess is that the strum hollow was invented by someone who did not like to hear the clicking sound of the pick against the fret board. Could have been Prichard or Thomas or someone else.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

John C. Knopf
@john-c-knopf
02/07/19 08:40:32AM
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No Strum hollow


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It seems to me that the strum hollow was "invented" by either Charles Prichard in Huntington, WV or by Ed Thomas in Bath, KY, long after dulcimers were being built, as Ken said.  If you look at old Virginia dulcimers, for example, you'll see many scratch marks on their flat fretboards, where the strum hollow would normally be.

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
02/07/19 07:15:45AM
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No Strum hollow


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A great many of the olde dulcimers from the 1800s had no strum hollow.  In part the function of the hollow is to reduce the weight of that massive brace that runs from end to end which we call a fretboard.  If you have decent strum technique you won't hit the fretboard, regardless of a strum hollow or not.  

The "mathematically correct" place to strum is half way between the fret being pressed and the bridge; which of course changes with each note.  Most of us find ourselves strumming somewhere up around fret 12-14.  Changing the location of the strum can be used to good effect depending on the song.  

As Dusty says, learning to strum both ways is good (it took me 15 years to 'get it').  Learning to strum 'up and out' and 'in and down' will help emphasize the melody string sounds, not lose them in the hum of the drones.   

Enjoy the journey!

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
02/07/19 01:24:09AM
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No Strum hollow


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You don't need a strum hollow. You can strum or pick anywhere you want.  I usually tell beginners to strum wherever their hand and arm feel most comfortable. Eventually, as you have discovered, you will learn to move toward the bridge to get a sharper tone and tighter strings and toward the middle of the dulcimer to get a warmer tone and looser strings.

Adding a strum hollow will not change the tone of your dulcimer.  The only exception would be if you use a flatpick and sometimes hit the fretboard, creating a clicking sound.  (I sometimes have that issue, unfortunately.) Good technique can avoid that problem, and strumming over the strum hollow does as well, obviously.

It sounds like you are off to a great start.  My advice would be to eventually begin strumming both in and out, alternating in a steady pattern, but don't worry about that right away. Take your time.


updated by @dusty: 02/07/19 01:25:20AM
Lisa
@lisa
02/06/19 10:59:43PM
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No Strum hollow


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Hi, I bought my cardboard dulcimer used, already put together.  It looks like any other cardboard dulcimer, except it has round holes instead of hearts.  The box is a rectangle, no tapering toward the tuners, i’ve seen both kinds of boxes, nothing too odd there.  But the thing that seems a little strange is it doesn’t have a strum hollow at all.

I’m wondering what the purpose of the strum hollow is?  I don’t use a pick, only my fingers and rarely my nails, so does it matter that there isn’t one?  

I think I read or saw a video somewhere that you wherever you fret your string, you double that distance and strum there.  I don’t know if that’s true or correct, I watch a lot of videos, that could be info for a completely different instrument and I’m, mixed up.  Anyhow, to my ears, it sounds more like an electric guitar when I strum closer to the bridge, and more of a normal, warm, acoustic sound higher up, so i usually strum all over the place for whatever effect I want to hear at the moment.  I also strum toward myself, not away, or pluck the strings with three fingers at the same time, or I sometimes try to fingerpick a little bit.  I mostly just strum toward myself at an angle, not straight across the strings, holding my fingers really flat, so I’m not using only the pads.  I sometimes try to accent the string(s) I’m fretting a little bit more than the other one or two.  I know my technique is terrible, a real train wreck, but I really enjoy the sounds I’m making.

I really like how it sounds now, and also wonder if the tone would change a lot if I were to take a Dremel to it, and carve out a strum hollow.  

I’ll most likely leave it as is, but just wanted to understand what the strum hollow is all about, and make sure I’m not missing out on some major tone improvement or the notes having longer sustain because the fretboard is one straight piece.

Thanks, Lisa

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
02/06/19 10:55:32PM
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Playing dulcimer with a ukelele


Playing and jamming difficulties...HELP ME!

Ken Longfield: When I first saw the title of this discussion, I was going to suggest using a pick instead

There's always one comedian in the crowd. happys

John Keane
@john-keane
02/06/19 07:52:37PM
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Luthiers - Cedar Creek?


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I do not.  A sweet lady in Kentucky bought it from me at a festival a few years ago.  My needs and preferences had changed, so it was a good deal for both of us.  We still drop by the main store on Hwy. 76 a couple of times a year, and we've performed there in the past as well.

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
02/06/19 07:44:47PM
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Playing dulcimer with a ukelele


Playing and jamming difficulties...HELP ME!

When I first saw the title of this discussion, I was going to suggest using a pick instead, but now that I understand the topic of this discussion, I won't do that. I just received a soprano ukulele and enjoy playing along with my dulcimer friends.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Don Grundy
@don-grundy
02/06/19 06:24:12PM
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Luthiers - Cedar Creek?


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John Keene, I am definitely the general public. And yes they have been most helpful and kind.
Do you still have your Cedar Creek Dulcimer?
John Keane
@john-keane
02/06/19 02:50:20PM
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Luthiers - Cedar Creek?


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I know dozens of people who experienced their first exposure to the mountain dulcimer through the Cedar Creek kiosk at Silver Dollar City in Branson, MO (including my wife and myself).  My first real dulcimer came from there as well.  They are quality people and make everyone feel welcome.  The Cedar Creek folks are true ambassadors when it comes to introducing the general public to the mountain dulcimer.

kjb
@kjb
02/06/19 02:03:23PM
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Playing dulcimer with a ukelele


Playing and jamming difficulties...HELP ME!

I also play uke and enjoy playing along with dulcimer by lowering to CGC.  It is easy to play chords to any key on the uke.  You can also use a capo to tune it to D.

Banjimer
@greg-gunner
02/06/19 09:46:10AM
142 posts

Playing dulcimer with a ukelele


Playing and jamming difficulties...HELP ME!

Without relearning everything in a new key, you (and your husband) have two options: He can raise his tuning one whole step or you can lower your tuning one whole step, .  I'm not familiar with how easily a ukulele can be raised a whole step without breaking strings, but it is relatively easy to retune your dulcimer to C-G-c as you suggested.

However, the obvious solution (since your husband has two ukuleles) is to leave one in the standard ukelele tuning to which he is accustomed and tune the other one up a whole step to make it easier to switch back and forth as needed.  That way he can play the same chord shapes and melody note positions on both. 

Butch Ross
@butch-ross
02/06/19 09:20:36AM
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Playing dulcimer with a ukelele


Playing and jamming difficulties...HELP ME!

I agree with Dusty and Cynthia, with two additional ideas.

1. It's not hard to re-tune a Uke to ADF#B, making his easy chords (C, F, G and Am) your D, G, A and Bm. This was done all the time in first heyday of the Uke (1915 - 1935).

2. it's equally not hard to tune down to C-G-cc on the dulcimer. This has the added bonus of making your songs easier to sing (Honestly, D is generally a terrible singing key).

 

Butch Ross
@butch-ross
02/06/19 09:10:34AM
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Jam chord progressions


Playing and jamming difficulties...HELP ME!

I suggest learning to play "Boil Dem Cabbage" in the keys of D, G and A. Best if you memorize them, but it's not required.

Not only does "cabbage" cover the three major chords in that key, it's also the order in which they're most likely to appear.

Here's what I mean: If you think of Cabbage not as a song, but as a "chord progression" or more simply, the order in which the songs appear, you start to see those same patterns elsewhere. For example....

Cabbage chord progression: D - G - D - A - D - G - D - A - D
Amazing Grace progression: D - G - D - A - D - G - D - A - D

Look familiar?

Note, that I am not referring to the time signature (one is a waltz, one is not) nor am I referring to how long you hold each chord (those are different too). BUT if you playing one chord you have a pretty good guess at what the next one will be.

Also, there are only 3 chords at play, so you have a 50/50 shot at getting right anyway. :-)

Here's an experiment, play Cabbage while a friend plays the B section of "Soldier's Joy". You'll see they work pretty well. The A section works too, if you skip the G chords and just stick to the A.

Even if the song's chord progression is different from Cabbage it's not completely different, more like "intentionally different"

  Cabbage:  D - G - D - A - D - G - D - A - D

Southwind: D - A - D - G - D - A - D - G - D

Note that Southwind STILL returns to the D after each new chord, just like Cabbage. Really, in many ways, its just Cabbage played backwards. And oh yeah, The B section of Southwind? It's just Cabbage in 3/4

Of course there are always exceptions, and this doesn't apply very well to minor key songs like "Shady Grove" or "Cold, Frosty Morning." But if you want to stay involved with tunes you don't know (which I HIGHLY recommend). This can help a lot.

 

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
02/05/19 09:38:08PM
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Luthiers - Cedar Creek?


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I agree with Greg's comments. I know some folks who have Cedar Creek dulcimers. I think they are a good quality dulcimer. There probably have not been as many made as McSpadden and Folkcraft. You just don't see as many around. They often come up on the used market although I can't recall prices paid for them.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Don Grundy
@don-grundy
02/05/19 05:15:57PM
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Thank you, Greg. I will watch prices.....although I could endanger 49+ years of marriage with another dulcimer.
Banjimer
@greg-gunner
02/05/19 04:54:18PM
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Dulcimer reputations spread pretty much by word-of-mouth.  Over time, some builders have built up a reputation for quality and consistency.  I don't have any personal experience with Cedar Creek Dulcimers, so I can't comment positively or negatively regarding the quality of their dulcimers.  However, as more and more dulcimer players recommend a builder, their reputation will grow.

The major builders have earned respect for the quality of their work.  They have thousands of examples floating around and many satisfied customers.  I can personally attest to the superior quality of some of the major builders. Of course, there are new builders popping up all the time.  Some of their work rivals that of the major dulcimer builders.  The key characteristics are "quality of workmanship" and "consistency of the finished product".  

Since I have no personal experience with Cedar Creek Dulcimers, I will leave it you and to other owners of Cedar Creek Dulcimers to describe the quality of their work.  You appear to be very happy with your Cedar Creek Dulcimers.  Others will read your comments and perhaps try a Cedar Creek model for themselves.

One of the easiest ways to determine how highly regarded a particular brand of dulcimer might be is to check out what one sells for on the used instrument market.  Quality instruments tend to maintain their value.  Follow the dulcimer offerings on E-Bay and you will soon learn what the dulcimer community thinks of a particular brand.

 

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